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i'm talking about saxby chambliss and south carolina's lindsey graham. does that say to you that the political winds could be shifting a bit here? >> i think so. i mean, to have these two senators who, you know, for the last year or so, even before the 2012 election, people were talking about a possible primary challenge, and to have chambliss and graham both go out front and say listen, the pledge isn't that important to me, that is -- that could, number one, trigger a primary contest and, remember, republicans have eaten -- dick lugar lost an election -- a primary election. senator snowe retired because she was fearing one. >> let me pause on my thought. let's listen to more of grover norquist. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they have had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. however, even lindsey graham, if you listen to him, he would support higher taxes if it was used to pay down the debt. of course, it won't be. it would be spent. if he got, you know, 10 to 1 rarb ratios on entitlement reform. i had long c
i'm talking about saxby chambliss and south carolina's lindsey graham. does that say to you that the political winds could be shifting a bit here? >> i think so. i mean, to have these two senators who, you know, for the last year or so, even before the 2012 election, people were talking about a possible primary challenge, and to have chambliss and graham both go out front and say listen, the pledge isn't that important to me, that is -- that could, number one, trigger a primary contest...
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lindsey graham from south carolina, the most recent saxby chambliss did it the other day. those republicans senators up for re-election in 2014. maybe they'll face a challenge from the right. take a look at what lindsey graham said on the sunday talk shows. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming grief, and republicans, republicans should put revenue on the table. we're this far in debt, we don't generate enough revenue. >> and that's his key difference here. he says he's okay with the no taxes but we do need to raise revenues and if that means cutting back on such things as tax rates, he will do it. also he says the democrats have to come forward here, as well. they have to do entitlements if he's going to break his pledge. zoraida? >> paul steinhauser live in washington for us. thank you. >> we're in the midst of the shopping frenzy and some people are seeing encouraging starts to the holiday shopping season. a record 247 million shoppers hit the stores and websites over the weekend. the national retail
lindsey graham from south carolina, the most recent saxby chambliss did it the other day. those republicans senators up for re-election in 2014. maybe they'll face a challenge from the right. take a look at what lindsey graham said on the sunday talk shows. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming grief, and republicans, republicans should put revenue on the table. we're this far in debt, we don't generate enough revenue....
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senator lindsey graham of south carolina and congressman peter king of new york say nothing should be off the bargaining table. >>> and ooufr seyou've seen the red carpet, designs by oscar de la renta and caroline deherrera. now you can stay in rooms by those designers in hotels. we'll tell you how. dr. sanjay gupta starts now. >>> he's part of a vanguard of cutting edge chefs, instructors and bartenders as a science. >> and liquid nitrogen. forget your liquid nitrogen. >> traditional cooking methods with the precision of just a tenth of a degree. >> the whole way you think about how cooking works has to change. >> he is aggressively creative. he's going 200 miles an hour so you have to keep up. >> he doesn't have any formal culinary training so you have to redesign what he does. >> when i'm asked what i do, i usually write cook, bartender, teacher, writer. that's what i usually write. >> so dave actually gets a lot more into the food science end of things. >> i own a cherokee, and it's interesting because it will reform a gel after its set. >> questions you might not normally come ac
senator lindsey graham of south carolina and congressman peter king of new york say nothing should be off the bargaining table. >>> and ooufr seyou've seen the red carpet, designs by oscar de la renta and caroline deherrera. now you can stay in rooms by those designers in hotels. we'll tell you how. dr. sanjay gupta starts now. >>> he's part of a vanguard of cutting edge chefs, instructors and bartenders as a science. >> and liquid nitrogen. forget your liquid nitrogen....
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now south carolina republican senator lindsey graham. take a listen. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming grief, and republicans, republicans should put revenue on the table, we're this far in debt, we don't generate enough revenue. i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs. but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> and i think that's important what he said there. only if democrats will do entitlements, as some democrats have pushed back on that. they do not think that that should be on the table. as f americans, they believe that there should be a balance between spending cuts and tax increases. about 67%, according to a new cnn/orc poll say that 29% say only spending cuts. and who will get the blame if we don't reach some kind of agreement here? gop clearly gets the brunt of the blame here. 45% say the gop, 34% say president obama, 15% say both. now as congress returns
now south carolina republican senator lindsey graham. take a listen. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming grief, and republicans, republicans should put revenue on the table, we're this far in debt, we don't generate enough revenue. i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs. but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >>...
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senator graham said that he's even got more -- he's more disturbed than he was before. since we know now that the intelligence was flawed, and that they -- cia altered the talking points, the president has said he takes responsibility, secretary of state clinton has said she takes responsibility. what do you think is, is actually going on here? >> well, unfortunately, it's become entirely too personal when it comes to ambassador rice. i spoke to her last week. i was in new york and spoke to her on the phone, and we talked about the fact that she was given an intelligence report which she dutifully reported to the public as she was told. and now what i hear from some of my republican colleagues, they're not only blaming her for this intelligence report, they're trying to blame her for the actual tragic event. >> personal why? >> -- unfair. >> personal means some kind of relationship or something has gone wrong. >> we just keep focusing on ambassador rice. >> why? >> there is a larger question -- well, frankly i think they believe she's vulnerable politically. at least th
senator graham said that he's even got more -- he's more disturbed than he was before. since we know now that the intelligence was flawed, and that they -- cia altered the talking points, the president has said he takes responsibility, secretary of state clinton has said she takes responsibility. what do you think is, is actually going on here? >> well, unfortunately, it's become entirely too personal when it comes to ambassador rice. i spoke to her last week. i was in new york and spoke...
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i know lindsey graham well. chambliss, king. these are thoughtful, smart, principled leaders and fiscal conservatives. they are anti-tax. i don't think a pledge should define anybody. i'm not a fan of pledges. you pledge to your god. i think you pledge to your constituents, to your country. the kind of representative i want going to washington is somebody that's going to act out of conviction, out of conscience, out of what his constituents want and not because they are being told to do a pledge. it's taking a lot of courage for what saxby chambliss and lindsey graham are doing. both probably earned themselves a primary as a result of the statements. i will tell the people of georgia and south carolina you are well served by those senators. i hope they win. i hope they are re-elected. they are doing a fine job. >> i don't get with this discussion two things. the idea we are not going to raise taxes. that's a shell game. call it what it is. we are raising revenue through tax raises. doesn't matter what you call them. the result i
i know lindsey graham well. chambliss, king. these are thoughtful, smart, principled leaders and fiscal conservatives. they are anti-tax. i don't think a pledge should define anybody. i'm not a fan of pledges. you pledge to your god. i think you pledge to your constituents, to your country. the kind of representative i want going to washington is somebody that's going to act out of conviction, out of conscience, out of what his constituents want and not because they are being told to do a...
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lindsey graham has said it. they've said they'll allow for more loopholes. you're saying you agree with that, at least now. but not in the long-term, correct? >> yeah, look, i'm saying there are a lot of ways to skin a cat and we need comprehensive tax reform. you have to look at something carefully to decide whether or not you think it is an aggregate tax increase, so it's difficult to define what is or what is not a tax increase. i am against tax increases, but i am in favor of stabilizing our revenue stream. >> okay, but do you have frustration with grover norquist in such an absolutist definition? because if over time, it could mean you're never raising more revenue -- does it frustrate you? >> no. look, my pledge wasn't to any one individual. the pledge that i made was to my constituents, the voters in utah who elected me and found it significant that i was willing to say tax increases are not the answer. we don't have a revenue problem so much as a spending problem in washington. >> thank you very much. we appreciate you taking the time to joins us ton
lindsey graham has said it. they've said they'll allow for more loopholes. you're saying you agree with that, at least now. but not in the long-term, correct? >> yeah, look, i'm saying there are a lot of ways to skin a cat and we need comprehensive tax reform. you have to look at something carefully to decide whether or not you think it is an aggregate tax increase, so it's difficult to define what is or what is not a tax increase. i am against tax increases, but i am in favor of...
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and look, i know lindsey graham well. saxby chambliss, peter king, these are thoughtful, smart, principled leaders. and they are fiscal conservatives. they are anti-tax. i don't think a pledge should define anybody. i'm not a fan of pledges. i think you pledge to your god. i think you pledge to your constituents. you pledge to your country. the kind of representative i want going to washington is somebody that's going to act out of conviction, out of conscience, out of what his constituents want and not because they are being told to through a pledge. it's taking a lot of cowage for what saxby chambliss and lindsey graham are doing. both of these guys just earned themselves a primary as a result of these statements. and i will tell the people of georgia and of south carolina, you are very well served by those two senators. i hope they win. i hope they get re-elected. they're doing a fine job. saxby, lindsey, call me, no pledges for me. i pledge to help you. >> i think they're doing what they should do, which is their job
and look, i know lindsey graham well. saxby chambliss, peter king, these are thoughtful, smart, principled leaders. and they are fiscal conservatives. they are anti-tax. i don't think a pledge should define anybody. i'm not a fan of pledges. i think you pledge to your god. i think you pledge to your constituents. you pledge to your country. the kind of representative i want going to washington is somebody that's going to act out of conviction, out of conscience, out of what his constituents...
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second, you talked about lynndie graham's words. we'll have to ask dana again, but will they talk about her role she should have known, not what she said but should she have known more and said something different? >> four americans are dead. in the end, four americans are dead. there should be numerous investigations. we haven't had an american ambassador assassinated since the 1970s. that that happened is horrific. so much of the conversation has been about politics, not about securing -- >> looking forward, this is all about can you stop the president's -- one of his major nominations out of the gate? that's what this is about. >> the questions are right. the mistake is personalizing it on the individual. >>> other stories we're following for you guys, the u.s. military monitoring what it says is increased activity by north korean launch site captured by satellite imagery. no rocket visible on the launch pad. the activity is similar to what went down back in the spring when a north korean rocket blasted off. that rocket, by the w
second, you talked about lynndie graham's words. we'll have to ask dana again, but will they talk about her role she should have known, not what she said but should she have known more and said something different? >> four americans are dead. in the end, four americans are dead. there should be numerous investigations. we haven't had an american ambassador assassinated since the 1970s. that that happened is horrific. so much of the conversation has been about politics, not about securing...
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let's look at senator graham from south carolina also. if you know his history and senator graham's history, once they dig in, they're not going to quit. what they're looking for is the truth. they've asked for a special prosecutor. eric holder and his own appointees look at this. we have a history here. look. go back to scooter libby and president bush. certainly there was a special prosecutor there. they uncovered evidence. what they're trying to get down to is who knew what, when and where and what caused the demise of these four great americans when they were begging for help the entire time to an administration with a deaf ear. they will responsibly continue to ask for the complete investigation to get down to the bottom of this. roland is right -- >> you don't need a special -- >> senator graham and senator mccain dig in here, they want to know what's all there. it doesn't look right to the american public, roland t just doesn't. >> let me ask you both -- >> you don't need a -- >> we're going on and on about susan rice and who wrote
let's look at senator graham from south carolina also. if you know his history and senator graham's history, once they dig in, they're not going to quit. what they're looking for is the truth. they've asked for a special prosecutor. eric holder and his own appointees look at this. we have a history here. look. go back to scooter libby and president bush. certainly there was a special prosecutor there. they uncovered evidence. what they're trying to get down to is who knew what, when and where...
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lindsey graham the latest lawmaker to buck a powerful gop lobbyist and his anti-tax pledge. we'll have the view from the edge of the so-called fiscal cliff. >>> one of the most recognizable voices in hollywood lends his voice to a pro-same-sex marriage ad. >> freedom, justice and human dignity have always guided our journey toward a more perfect union. now across our country, we are standing together for the right of gay and lesbian americans. >> morgan freeman pointing out why he's behind what voters in three states did on election day. >>> and your $2 could be worth 425 million bucks. power ball reaching a new record. let's dream the dream together, shall we? shall we? "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> good morning to you. thank you so much for being with me on this monday morning. i'm carol costello. we begin with the so-called fiscal cliff. 36 days from the crisis. new signs of just how concerned lawmakers really are. more republican lawmakers now say they will work toward a compromise, even if they have to break a promise not to raise taxe
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. >> senators graham and mccain are now more concerned than before they met with ambassador rice and are not willing still to consider her as secretary of state. >>> three mid-level managers at the garment factory that went up in flames in bangladesh are under arrest. they are accused of locking the main gate of the factory after the inferno broke out saturday. that fire killed more than 100 workers and injured more than 150 other people. several thousand people are mourning and protesting near that factory. >>> a deadly double car bombing in syria this morning. at least 29 people were killed in the blast that happened just outside the capital of damascus. a syrian human rights group says the death toll is expected to rise due to the number of people injured in the bombings. >>> also new this morning, an audit from afghanistan finds rampant corruption in the kabul bank. it is a depository for u.s. reconstruction dollars. "the new york times" report the audit concludes the bank is a ponzi scheme allowing those connected to president karzai access to hundreds of millions of dollars. >>
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i just interviewed lindsey graham who was in that meeting who is very baffled and very perplexed that somebody as high-ranking as the cia director, acting cia director would tell them something about an issue that is so controversial and such a political -- so politically controversial that is absolutely wrong. >> a lot of unanswered questions, a lotf concerns there and obviously very controversial. whether or not this moves forward, the potential nomination for susan rice. dana, excellent reporting, as always. of course, we're going to check back in with you as you continue to meet with members of congress. i want to talk about something that senator collins talked about, her concerns about the readiness of susan rice, given that she was assistant secretary for african affairs in the bombing of east africa of 1998. i spoke with our national security analyst, peter bergen, about whether or not that was even relevant. here's how he responded. >> two embassies were bombed by al qaeda, one simultaneously killing many. senator collins is certainly correct that at the time the ambassador t
i just interviewed lindsey graham who was in that meeting who is very baffled and very perplexed that somebody as high-ranking as the cia director, acting cia director would tell them something about an issue that is so controversial and such a political -- so politically controversial that is absolutely wrong. >> a lot of unanswered questions, a lotf concerns there and obviously very controversial. whether or not this moves forward, the potential nomination for susan rice. dana,...
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senator ayotte and sflor mccain and senator graham have been about ambassador rice. she hasn't been that critical up until now. but those meetings are not over. when she emerges, when ambassador rice emerges from this meeting -- >> reporter: ashleigh i'm going to interrupt you because senator collins is here right now. >> terrific. if you could grab her for us that would be terrific. we'll find out the tenor. let's listen. >> i've just cudedn hour and 15 minutes with ambassador t remain unanswered. i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of a contentious presidential election campaign by agreeing to go on the sunday shows to present the administration's position. in addition, it is interesting to me that ambassador rice emphasized in her presentation not that this was a terrorist attack by al qaeda affiliates but, rather, that it had begun with a protest that we nownow was nonexistent and that it was linked to a video, which we also know is not accurate. at the time ambassador
senator ayotte and sflor mccain and senator graham have been about ambassador rice. she hasn't been that critical up until now. but those meetings are not over. when she emerges, when ambassador rice emerges from this meeting -- >> reporter: ashleigh i'm going to interrupt you because senator collins is here right now. >> terrific. if you could grab her for us that would be terrific. we'll find out the tenor. let's listen. >> i've just cudedn hour and 15 minutes with...
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senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist saying no higher tax rates but open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i'm willing to generate revenue. it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. ilt not raise tax rates to do it and cap deductions. >> another lawmaker breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i'm imposed on tax increases. imt not going to prejudge it, and we should not take ironclad positions. >> late today in "the situation room" republican kevin mccarthy put a fresh spin on the talking points. >> if the gel oal is to raise m revenue what's the best way to do that and protect the economy? if you're able to gain more revenue by closing special loopholes and limiting them and keeping the rate down, isn't that a better outcome? >> once again, talk of tax deductions and closing loopholes, but a big note. raising tax rates, so a lot of talk but perhaps not much real movement at least for now. as for grover norquist, he told cnn's soledad o'brien today that although some republicans are discussing impure thoughts
senator lindsey graham also breaking with norquist saying no higher tax rates but open to more tax revenue by limiting deductions. >> i'm willing to generate revenue. it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. ilt not raise tax rates to do it and cap deductions. >> another lawmaker breaking with the norquist agrees. >> i think everything should be on the table. i'm imposed on tax increases. imt not going to prejudge it, and we should not take ironclad positions....
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today we heard from south carolina republican senator lindsey graham and also from new york congressman peter king responding to this idea and jumping on the bandwagon with chandliss. let's listen to that. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is avoid becoming broke and republicans should put revenue on the table. i want to buy down debt and create rates to cut jobs, but i will raise taxes for the good of the country only if the government will do entitlement reform. >> a pledge we signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1941, i would have signed the declaration of war against japan. i'm not going to attack japan today. the world has changed. >> reporter: and so it's interesting to see now two more republicans decide maybe it's not such a good idea to stick to this pledge. we'll have to see if more people decide to follow suit on that side of the aisle, fredricka. >> so athena, the lawmakers at all optimistic that they'll be able to reach a deal in the next few weeks? >> reporter: i don't know abo
today we heard from south carolina republican senator lindsey graham and also from new york congressman peter king responding to this idea and jumping on the bandwagon with chandliss. let's listen to that. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is avoid becoming broke and republicans should put revenue on the table. i want to buy down debt and create rates to cut jobs, but i will raise taxes for the good of the country only if the government...
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again, mccain and lindsey graham were supporting that. it seems contradictory to me. >> you'll have to take that up with senator mccain and senator graham. >> okay. >> the credibility for susan rice to be our secretary of state has been damaged by this. it may have been damaged by the administration itself. it may have been an error for the administration to put her out there rather than someone from the state department or rather than a campaign spokesperson. what appeared to the great masses out here is that susan rice was put out there to place a story line into the print or into the national media that was, in fact, inconsistent with the facts. and that is something that has been very difficult to get around. >> i'm completely out of time but i have to throw a quick question to you. we talked to congressman clyburn. he said, listen, it's because she's black and she's a woman that you're doing this, meaning the 97 republicans that signed this. >> that's absolutely false. i don't know where senator -- or representative clyburn gets that
again, mccain and lindsey graham were supporting that. it seems contradictory to me. >> you'll have to take that up with senator mccain and senator graham. >> okay. >> the credibility for susan rice to be our secretary of state has been damaged by this. it may have been damaged by the administration itself. it may have been an error for the administration to put her out there rather than someone from the state department or rather than a campaign spokesperson. what appeared to...
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john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly a at with her information comments made on several networks that played down the role of terrorists in the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya, that killed four americans including ambassador chris stevens. rice maintains she made it clear the intelligence information she had at the time was preliminary. senators have threatened to block her nomination if president obama chooses her to be his next secretary of state. >>> and the obama administration responds to the benghazi attack does not get high marks from americans. the results of a new poll out this morning shows a majority of those questioned, 54%, say they are dissatisfied with the administration's handling of the attack. >>> and the body of yasser arafat was exhumed this morning from a mausoleum in the west bank. a team of international scientists will analyze tissue samples to determine if the former palestinian leader was poisoned to death in 2004, with a radioactive substance. the actual cause of arafat's death has never been determined. >>> the egyptian people taking to the
john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly a at with her information comments made on several networks that played down the role of terrorists in the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya, that killed four americans including ambassador chris stevens. rice maintains she made it clear the intelligence information she had at the time was preliminary. senators have threatened to block her nomination if president obama chooses her to be his next secretary of state. >>> and the obama...
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senators mcconnell, graham, cornyn, chambliss are thought to be vulnerable to the tea party. republicans have to sort this out. how much they're going to lean more toward the base or more toward the fiscal conservatives in the tea party or are they going to go more toward the middle and in the end can they get the senate back? >> well, i think getting the is that the back is going to be tough to do and it's going to depebd on candidate recruitment. particularly in states like alaska, colorado and louisiana where you have a pretty republican electorates, but you have democratic senators coming from those states. now, as for this tea party insurgency idea, when you look at this cycle in 2012, if you look at 2010 as well, you had a lot of insurgent candidates who ran against firmly, established canned who had one statewide before. it's ton of activists who are going to be fired up about that come 2014. having seen that the result of those tea party insurgencies in some cases threatened a winnable republican candidate. so my guess is that you are going to see some moderation on t
senators mcconnell, graham, cornyn, chambliss are thought to be vulnerable to the tea party. republicans have to sort this out. how much they're going to lean more toward the base or more toward the fiscal conservatives in the tea party or are they going to go more toward the middle and in the end can they get the senate back? >> well, i think getting the is that the back is going to be tough to do and it's going to depebd on candidate recruitment. particularly in states like alaska,...
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. >> reporter: another vocal critic, senator lindsey graham, is still expressing doubts about her but avoided answering whether he would still stand in the way of a rice nomination. >> when she comes over, if she does, there will be a lot of questions asked after her about this event and others. >> reporter: whether the tone is a shift in speaking or more nuanced language, the white house is all ears. >> certainly saw those comments and appreciate them as the president has said and i and others have said, ambassador rice has done an excellent job at the united nations and is highly qualified for any number of positions in the foreign policy arena. >> reporter: does the preside president -- >> i have no announcements. >> reporter: she's widely believed to be at the top of the list to replace secretary of state hillary clinton who's said she will not stay for a second term. ambassador rice came under fire for suggesting the benghazi attack that killed four americans was a spontaneous event. >> what we think transpired in benghazi is opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate
. >> reporter: another vocal critic, senator lindsey graham, is still expressing doubts about her but avoided answering whether he would still stand in the way of a rice nomination. >> when she comes over, if she does, there will be a lot of questions asked after her about this event and others. >> reporter: whether the tone is a shift in speaking or more nuanced language, the white house is all ears. >> certainly saw those comments and appreciate them as the president...
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you have senator john mccain, lindsey graham, kelly ayotte. she went to address concerns they have over statements the ambassador made over the u.s. mission in benghazi on september 11th that left ambassador chris stevens and three other americans dead. i want you to listen to what senator graham, republican south carolina, here, said immediately after the meeting ended. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before that the 16 september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice, i think does not do justice to the reality at the time, and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. but here's the key. in real time, it was a statement disconnected from reality. >> and now here is senator ayotte. >> i want to say that i'm more troubled today, knowing -- having met with the acting director of the cia and ambassador rice, because it's certainly clear from the beginning that we knew that those with ties to al qaeda were involved in the attack on the embassy. and clearly the impression that was given,
you have senator john mccain, lindsey graham, kelly ayotte. she went to address concerns they have over statements the ambassador made over the u.s. mission in benghazi on september 11th that left ambassador chris stevens and three other americans dead. i want you to listen to what senator graham, republican south carolina, here, said immediately after the meeting ended. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before that the 16 september explanation about how four americans...
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what senator lindsey graham said after the meeting. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before, that the 16th september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice, i think, does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. >> dana bash following developments on capitol hill. before susan rice went before these republicans, senators, they seemed to be backing away from criticizing her. now it looks like in speaking with them, this is backfired. can you tell us what happened? >> reporter: that's right. i was told by a source familiar with this meeting that the reason why the senators backed off public comments, softened them, they did, susan rice requested a meeting and felt that was the most appropriate thing to do not keep pounding her before they could talk face-to-face. you're absolutely right. by all accounts it did not go well inside that meeting held in a classified setting, i should tell you, with the acting director of the cia. listen to what john mccain said, one of the chief critic
what senator lindsey graham said after the meeting. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before, that the 16th september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice, i think, does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. >> dana bash following developments on capitol hill. before susan rice went before these republicans, senators, they seemed to be backing away from criticizing her. now...
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here's lindsay graham. let's listen. >> i'm more disturbed than i was before that the 16th september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice i think does not do justice to the real reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. here's the key -- in real time it was a statement disconnected from reality. if anybody had been looking at the threats coming out of benghazi, libya, it was jump out at you, this was -- an al qaeda storm in the making. i'm very disappointed in our intelligence community. i think they failed in many ways. but with inquiry and curiosity, i think it would be pretty clear that to explain this episode as related to a video that created a mob that turned into a riot was far afield. and at the end of the day, we're going to get to the bottom of this. we have to have a system we can trust. and if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give eplanations and you can say -- explanat
here's lindsay graham. let's listen. >> i'm more disturbed than i was before that the 16th september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice i think does not do justice to the real reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. here's the key -- in real time it was a statement disconnected from reality. if anybody had been looking at the threats coming out of benghazi, libya, it was jump out at you, this was -- an al qaeda storm...
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. >> so lawmakers, we're talking about peter king, lindsey graham being the latest ones today, to say they might consider abandoning that no tax hike pledge, similar to how senator saxby chambliss said he would abandon the pledge for the american people. yes, they may have been extreme positions but for a long time most of these lawmakers didn't feel it was extreme, they felt it was the necessary thing to do, they were digging in heels for a very long time. so it does seem hike an incredible page that's being turned here to be able to now say, i'll consider abandoning that. it does seem like there is maybe an olive branch that's being extended? >> i think turning back to a reasonable position is not the same as saying that i'm being moderate. what we are seeing in our polit politics, not just taking a couple of senators and using them as data points, but looking at the larger data sets of the trends over time, we're seeing moderates in general being chased out of our politicians. we have fewer blue dogs. we keep seeing moderate republicans be primaried when they are up for re-election
. >> so lawmakers, we're talking about peter king, lindsey graham being the latest ones today, to say they might consider abandoning that no tax hike pledge, similar to how senator saxby chambliss said he would abandon the pledge for the american people. yes, they may have been extreme positions but for a long time most of these lawmakers didn't feel it was extreme, they felt it was the necessary thing to do, they were digging in heels for a very long time. so it does seem hike an...
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here is what lindsey graham said about that. >> i can't help but feel incredibly disappointed that we were told something at 10:00 a.m. that couldn't withstand scrutiny for six hours. and is totally inconsistent with what we were told the day before. we have five different explanations of who changed the talking points to take out benghazi. and four different reasons. this is becoming a joke. >> so what these meetings least this particular issue has done is added fuel to the fire and it is not like, you needed to add any more fuel to the fire, especially for senators like lindsey graham who is already really publicly outraged about a lot of issues dealing with the benghazi attack. >> this is just one more. one more. dana bash, thank you. >>> after trashing the hit tv show "two and a half men," the actor angus jones, now back tracking from his controversial comments. that story's next. ♪ we were skipping stones and letting go ♪ [ female announcer ] nature valley granola bars, rich dark chocolate, toasted oats. perfect combinations of nature's delicious ingredients, from nature vall
here is what lindsey graham said about that. >> i can't help but feel incredibly disappointed that we were told something at 10:00 a.m. that couldn't withstand scrutiny for six hours. and is totally inconsistent with what we were told the day before. we have five different explanations of who changed the talking points to take out benghazi. and four different reasons. this is becoming a joke. >> so what these meetings least this particular issue has done is added fuel to the fire...
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today we heart from senator lindsey graham and peter king, congressman out of new york, also jumping on the bandwagon with that. let's listen to that. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece. and republicans should put revenue on the table. i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> agree entirely. a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. fy were in congress in 1941, i would have signed the declaration of war against japan. i'm not going to attack japan today. the world has changed. >> it's interesting to hear that from those two republicans today, one in the house, one in the senate. but i should mention one thing. that is, in the weeks and days immediately following the election, house speaker john boehner himself came out and said, we're willing to consider revenues as long as it's not done by raising rates. and so in some ways, the republicans
today we heart from senator lindsey graham and peter king, congressman out of new york, also jumping on the bandwagon with that. let's listen to that. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece. and republicans should put revenue on the table. i want to buy down debt and cut rates to create jobs but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform....
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if nor mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. >> so, jill, do you think it was that warning that motivated senator mccain to change his mind? what does he get out of it? >> you know, i think it's hard to say at this point. obviously, the president is indicating that were she to be the nominee, he would stick with her, but they're not saying that yet, and, you know, i think on this fight about benghazi right now, a lot of official advisory come forward. the dni explaining that the talking points as they're called were changed. if that reference to al qaeda was taken out. one to be an intelligence issue. i think what's happening is there is no final answer yet on everything that is concerned with benghazi until those investigations are completed, and those investigations, of course, are the fbi investigation and then also the state department's own investigation. so at this point it's not -- i don't think it's really getting a lot of traction. there's not a lot of change. you have ambassador rice coming out and saying that she raid the p
if nor mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. >> so, jill, do you think it was that warning that motivated senator mccain to change his mind? what does he get out of it? >> you know, i think it's hard to say at this point. obviously, the president is indicating that were she to be the nominee, he would stick with her, but they're not saying that yet, and, you know, i think on this fight about benghazi right now, a lot of official...
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yesterday by the three republicans she met with because they had been among her harshest critics, senators graham and mccain. today's meeting was different because she met with a republican who was among the remaining centerist republicans in the senate -- one of the most likely to throw susan rice a lifeline. it didn't happen. >> i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of a contentious presidential election campaign. >> reporter: after meeting with rice for more than an hour, collins emerged questioning her judgment in giving the public what turned out to be incorrect information in the days after the deadly attack in benghazi. and the main republican was lukewarm about the prospect of rice as secretary of state. if president obama were to nominate susan rice to be the next secretary of state, could you support that nomination? >> i would need to have additional information before i could support her nomination. >> reporter: collins has gone out of her way to support rice in the past. even introducing rice
yesterday by the three republicans she met with because they had been among her harshest critics, senators graham and mccain. today's meeting was different because she met with a republican who was among the remaining centerist republicans in the senate -- one of the most likely to throw susan rice a lifeline. it didn't happen. >> i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of a contentious presidential...
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she met with three of her most outspoken critics, republican senators john mccain, lindsey graham, and kelly ayotte to set the record straight. rice had gone on five sunday talk shows days after the attack and called it a spontaneous demonstration sparked by an antimuslim film and did not mention the link to al qaeda. after all this taking on her critics, the republican senators weren't impressed. >> bottom line, i'm more dist b disturbed now than i was before that the 16 september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice, i think does not do justice to the reality at the time and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. >> rice maintains she did nothing wrong. issuing a statement saying we stressed that neither i nor anyone else in the administration intended to mislead the american people at any stage of this process. peter brooks is a former deputy assistant secretary of defense, general wesly clark and, of course, former democratic presidential candidate. senator mccain was asked who do you blame more at this point? ambassador rice or presi
she met with three of her most outspoken critics, republican senators john mccain, lindsey graham, and kelly ayotte to set the record straight. rice had gone on five sunday talk shows days after the attack and called it a spontaneous demonstration sparked by an antimuslim film and did not mention the link to al qaeda. after all this taking on her critics, the republican senators weren't impressed. >> bottom line, i'm more dist b disturbed now than i was before that the 16 september...
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senator mccain, senator graham, they're smart people. they love their country. but i do hope everybody just takes a breath and asks the question, if he nominates ambassador rice, is she qualified to be secretary of state? of course the answer is yes. you know, today one of america's closest allies, israel, is under assault at the united nations. you had ambassador oren on a moment ago, they should be united and this is a time we ought to be united. i just don't see any gain frankly for the country and certainly for attacking her. >> what do you think, ari? >> working six years in the senate where nominations get confirmed and two and a half at the white house, i've got to say after all that time, i believe in the power of the executive. i think the president largely should get his way with nominees. he has the right to put people in place who see things his way. even if the minority party disagrees with those policies. i think people should be resistant if there's something seriously wrong with who they are, their character, their ethics or their record. these t
senator mccain, senator graham, they're smart people. they love their country. but i do hope everybody just takes a breath and asks the question, if he nominates ambassador rice, is she qualified to be secretary of state? of course the answer is yes. you know, today one of america's closest allies, israel, is under assault at the united nations. you had ambassador oren on a moment ago, they should be united and this is a time we ought to be united. i just don't see any gain frankly for the...